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    Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 3:27pm
Oh god...
Okay, look at it this way.

I am not a creative person. Oh, sure, if I'm pushed I can come up with something original but I'm not spontaneous - I mix and match, I cut things up, I push them around, but they're all facsimiles of something else. Writing does not 'come naturally' in any form - it is a massive uphill struggle and it leaves me drained and thoroughly satisfied which is really the only reason I come back. And I do it by making sure I cover all the points, even if that means referring to a sneer-worthy checklist. That's just the way I work! And that's the reason I'm not a writer, or an artist or a musician, even when I've tried for up to half a decade and still hit every second damn note wrong - because I just don't think like that. I'm a recycler, I don't have a creative flair; everything I make is a poor collage of a million and one other things I've taken from somewhere else. So I'm sorry for treating this like a series of objectives but that's how I work, and if you're still persisting on the off-chance that I might improve, you might as well not bother because I have a limit, I'm already at it, and I'm not getting any better.

As for gaming: please. You cannot even begin to understand how truly frustrated I am with this stereotype. I didn't mention Nirlonnion's weaponry because I thought it would be an important bit of his 'inventory' - I mentioned it because that was a characteristic. I could've made it his hair, or his nose, or his voice or a habit of speaking in riddles. It could have been anything, but I chose a sword and now all of a sudden the spotlight falls on RPGs, a game genre I hardly even play.
The reason my characters don't have interesting personalities is not because I'm more interested in the contents of their backpacks - they don't have interesting personalities because I can't do that sort of thing! I'm not a people person, I don't understand them, I can't create that spark of humanity. I've read posts where the person was obviously on medication at the time and had the writing ability of a four-year-old, but at least their characters lived, they spoke and screamed and had a real passion to them - all I see in mine is grey speech, the same dulled face pasted over and over again. There is no 'heart' to them. When I re-read it, it comes back to me in a drab monotone. So I can't do people. I can see an environment behind words as clear as day and manipulating actions is easy - but not personalities.

Okay - Sorry. I was fine not long ago but suddenly I just tip over and now I'm mega-frustrated at everyone and everything. I'm still leaving this up as it's still pretty accurate, it's just... irritating, mm? I've never really improved in writing, not even back when I wrote in crayon and did accompaniment drawings: There's still the monotone-characters and the collage effect. I've tried to tone it down, hide it and smother it in language, but it's still there. And probably always will be.
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 5:29pm
Wacko Treating this as a 'no comment' post OK, except to say that you made a perceptive statement and I responded in like.
 
The fact that you made it, and, also in the above post, shows that you know the difference between painting a character 'by numbers' and how you assemble a character organically (rather than 'create' if that offends your sense of justice). Recognition means you can improve and indeed have been.
 
It's also v. hard to be properly objective about your own writing - up until 2005 I loathed writing dialogue because I thought I was rubbish at it. Once I started to RP interactively turns out I was rather good at it... from there it's largely a case of confidence, practice and how much of an imagination you have and don't you dare tell me you're not imaginative! LOL
 
So here's the deal - I won't go on about packaged RPGs, because I don't know (and don't want to know) enough about it, and I'll try not to praise you too much, and we'll carry on with the framework and just see how you go. This is the first part with three more to come and Othimbrel's the focus. You're picking up on the feedback and running with it and it's rewarding on both sides I hope, so let's keep the analysis trained on him and more of the writing Wink
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 5:39pm
Just quickly on recycling... Embarrassed
 
Everyone does it - Tolkien's taken Arthurian, Atlantean, Norse and Celtic myth and various languages from N. Europe with a lot of Welsh and spent his whole life reassembling it and avoiding reminders that he had a publication deadline from George Unwin LOL
 
TP's the same only he's been a journalist so he's much better at churning stuff out - he openly admits that Ankh-Morpork could be Minas Tirith 500 years on with a minor Industrial Revolution and adds some well-presented philosophical pronouncements on how to be humane without false idols to make us too judgemental...
 
This is post-modernism in action with an early medieval slant - that's all. Wink
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 3:55am
*groans* Okay, you've got me.
Was feeling pretty annoyed last night which was odd because things had actually been going well. I just get these bouts of frustration now and again...

Hum hmm. Practice practice practice. I've seen it happen, and I've seen the results, and occasionally I have seen improvements - the day that I first got the AWP in rebel_resistance_4 was a proud day indeed Smile. But for the most part, they are minuscule, and sometimes barely worth the effort one puts in. But alright - I'll keep this up, and hopefully fix some faults. I mean, it wouldn't be any fun if it was easy LOL.

But I'm not imaginative. I might have been fuming at the time, but I still stand by it. I don't mean 'imaginative' in the sense of making something new - I mean imaginative in the sense of interesting. Maybe it's just a side-effect of re-reading your own writing tens of times over, but from here it just looks dull, dull, dull.

Anyway I should probably stop moaning and get back to writing Sleepy.
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 9:00am
Alright, I will start writing the next bit - I will, I'm not procrastinating - but I've finally been handed the actual due date for my ICT assignment and it is deadly close so schoolwork might be taking precedence for a while Dead.
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 10:33am
School work's always more important so this can hang if you need/want to concentrate on your assignment Wink
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 8:11am
Still feeling pretty nasty but I'm finding the time for this. But where do I stop writing here? After the ducks escape/are all brought down? Also: Quantities. How many would there be and how many ought we hit?
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Good question and I have a good answer - please yourself Wink
 
OK a few tips. This is almost a pre-literate society, no real system of measurements amongst the general run of ordinary mortals (everyone except Elves and Wizards and some of the more militarily inclined descendants of Westernesse) and although the Prof gave them decent enough maps (think more along the lines of the map made by Thrain of the Lonely Mountain or of the Shire in TH rather than the more accurate ones in LotR) so far as readers are concerned distances are measured in time and with such vast and ungovernable territory to traverse even that could be unreliable.
 
With feasts of this sort you wouldn't get an invititation saying 'be here for 7:30pm on the 31st Oct' but 'get here some time on or just before the 31st Oct' and we'll feed you then - which is why there's this equivalent of bring your own wine custom, in that if people are there too early, they're going to put a strain on local resources so it's a courtesy to your host to bring something edible and/or drinkable with you (rather like house guests will take their hosts out to a restaurant a few times whilst they're staying? Tongue).
 
So the question you should be asking is how many Elves have I got here? Without Thranduil's honour guard there's yourselves and the 2 bosses plus a dozen Imladris warriors as per the previous section and so you need to decide how many escorts Thranduil will have and set your quota from that (with a small surplus as it is likely you'll be there with some time to spare for the appointed time) Wink 
 
The ducks are basically for your company unless you get there early enough - if you get there on the day, then they'll go into the general pool for the feast to supplement what the cooks are doing for centrepieces.
 
Stop the post when you think you've all brought down enough ducks (for a hungry warrior remember that there's not much flesh on a duck aside from drumsticks and breasts - the rest of the flesh/skin etc is generally used to mince/stew or for the stockpot)
 
 
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Cutting in here, hope that's OK - that post above, Quark, where you say I am not a creative person? The next two sentences are a perfect description of how creativity really works - cut, paste, rearrange Big smile
Have just emailed you regarding your (creative) work you kindly let me read.
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Alright, thanks very much. I guessed as much for the measurements - but is it alright to use 'leagues' now and then? They're usually about three miles but officially it's the distance a man could walk in an hour - so is that time-based enough?

I'm still feeling the need to pad out this post a little bit but I'm resisting the urge to just go blow-by-blow on everything Ermm.

I was working under a bit of a misunderstanding here - I didn't really realise that the elves were bringing the ducks as 'early arrival' rationings so I might tweak it so they bring down a few more than I originally intended Sleepy.

Saranna - I thank you for your support and your comments, but you might not be aware, as I try to keep it to myself (usually unsuccessfully) that I do go through bouts of depression and my 'not creative' comment was at a pretty difficult time where I was stressing out a little bit over various things - so I got pessimistic. But it's being able to write, and the kindness of people like you all, that really helps Hug
Creativity was still a bit frustrating until I recently read a quote by Albet Einstein himself, which goes 'The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources', and that pretty much sums everything up LOL. Whether going to a leading 20th century physicist for advice on literary dealings is a wise idea is subjective, but he was a genius...
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 2:39pm
Leagues are fine as it's all Elves and they're more or less on friendly territory once they're out of the wood that far north and east  - like Silen said, they'll be there with time to share their fowl Smile
 
And with Einstein - always remember that he would've liked to be a better musician. Wink Also he liked pretty women so, for a genius, he did have one toe on the ground at least and knew how to appreciate the physical/sensory as opposed to just pure math and physics LOL In fact you couldn't have chosen a better role model.
 
Fret not about how 'interesting' you are - I think you're giving us the answers as we go - you over-analyse and obsess about what you're doing. So snap! Smile Saranna and I do the same at times, but because we're old ladies we need to rest up and go with the flow a fair bit along with the premise of, if it feels good keep on doing it! Wink Obsessing is good up to a  point and you also of course have time on your side as you gain in experience in the big wide and not all bad world, the part of which you live in is also a very interesting place for all that. Experience is what makes an author - where you get experience is a matter of personal taste and some of us don't like to get too involved but people-watching is great way to do that whether or not you approve of your fellow man/woman/teen/little kid... Wink
 
You said somewhere else how people reckon their school years/teenage years are the best. Where they get these people is anyone's guess - so far as I can see post WW2 when the concept of being a 'teenager' first appeared during the 'baby-boom' years, being under 21 was a pain for most people - real agony in some respects and part of all that is the polarity of being a teenager. They have a need to appear unique in some way, but for most this is just a matter of finding the weirdest 'in' group' they can stand to be associated with. Wacko The herd instinct doesn't disappear so much as becomes a need to be 'in with the in crowd' - any crowd in some cases and the more individual you are, the more isolated you feel as you don't 'fit' anywhere. I hated being a teenager at times mostly because it seemed every one was always telling me what I should wear, look like, eat, listen and aspire to and worst of all how to behave and you just can't be someone that'll please everyone, so it seems you're never accepted anywhere.
 
So long as your getting some kicks out of doing this, then everything's good whether or not you can stand some encouragement - Saranna is a published fantasy author and Tolkien scholar and I'm a wild card who knows elves backwards so, if we say you're doing more than OK then trust us and carry on doing what your doing! Wink
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:53pm
Aargh! Just accidentally closed this tab halfway through my post... again Angry

Anyway, it's just... no, I'm not going to start off with a clich√©. Saranna's already berated me once for that in her Earendil's Quest analysis Wacko

So, perhaps I do over-analyse and worry too much, but that's just how my thoughts naturally turn. Maybe it's a tad narcissistic, but if my brain's not busy then it looks inward... and doesn't like what it sees. Which is pretty much why I try to keep myself occupied as much as possible. Really, I just need to try and stay off the introspection and hold off all the big questions until I'm experienced enough to answer them, and not worry about whether I'm boring or no... hey, you up the back! Wake up!

I'm not going to lie and say that I'm devoid of  that normal teenage 'drive' - I mean, we all look for a group of people we associate with, but nobody wants to be part of the masses, even though those masses are made up by equally elitist groups. I'm constantly at (friendly) loggerheads with the console-playing base, for example, but even they will argue superiority between themselves...
Unique is such a horribly misleading term that I hate to use it, because arguably everyone is 'unique', but some share more common characteristics between them than others. So I'm going to butcher some grammar here and argue that I'm more unique than most - which is probably how I end up on an obscure forum, trading enhumbled words with all you fine people Smile And I have to agree with you on the 'what to look like, what to aspire to', etc, front, which is why I get so frustrated with sensory input because 90% of it is people trying to get you to be what they want you to and even if you'll go with that, you'll find someone else contradicting them soon enough and if you try and please everyone you'll end up with some serious multiple-personality issues Confused

But, well, I can deal with it. I try to shut it out and when I can't then it's usually a polite declination and when I'm sick of it then it gets a veritable p*ss off Angry. And I like it here, I like writing, so that's what I'm doing, and it's nice to meet people that meet you halfway and even volunteer to go over your own uncultured prose with you. So as long as I'm not boring anyone to death then I'll be going on, and deal with things as they come.Smile

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Evil Smile He's my sorta guy - I wish he was Mr Jano in RL except.... Oh lord I'm getting weird with my Necromancer fetish yet again PMSL Wink

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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 1:58am
LOL

Anyway,  there it goes. I hope you weren't expecting much for the time delay as I have been busy and I was also trying to cut down on the unnecessary descriptives. It's certainly a very short post Confused. I also have no doubt that I've completely missed the mark in regards to how to hunt ducks... gah.
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  Quote Saranna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 11:29am
'The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources',
Thanks for that Quark, I love it.  Hey, I didn't berate you - I just mentioned it, is all!
You needn't explain about depression, I have a lot of experience of it in my family.  They say it can come along with creativity, and I sometimes think that's true.  Can't speak for Auntie Jano but Great-Aunt Saranna is pretty well impossible to offend Smile so tell it as you find it. Now I MUST get out of this thread!
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by Great-Aunt Saranna

Can't speak for Auntie Jano but Great-Aunt Saranna is pretty well impossible to offend Smile 
Puh! I have the hide of an Indian Rhino - just don't make me angry... Even I don't like me when I'm angry! Evil Smile
 
Quark - I'd say that's an average length post and no worries. Silen will be here in a couple of hourseLOL
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Well although this is 'short' I've still found enough to comment on which we know isn't a sign of anything, except that I must have engaged and found interest for some reason or other. Wink I have to say that I'm very glad you didn't focus on quantities - generalities are all that's needed here. The reader really doesn't have to know how many ducks you brought down - we want to know how it felt to stand there waiting for the beaters to flush the ducks from the reeds; were you cold?; did you fiddle with your bow again?; how did the birds fly? All that's engaging and painting word pictures for us.
 
A chill wind blew across the marshes, coaxed by the rising sun into movement and sweeping away the night's mists.
Nice evocative observational writing and something I've felt - the sunrise or the sunset wind. I live near moors and peat marshes so I could see the mists moving Smile
 
He raised his head, checked his bow again, tightening the string-knots to be certain, and quietly arranged his arrows.
There's comfort in minutiae - all the little rituals for the skilled 'tuning up' of your instruments
 
Othimbrél stood and strung the bow in a single motion, rising in time to see the confused pack of ducks spill forth from the rushes.
Slight carp here. He's tightening the string-knots and now he's stringing it again ? Like the implied fluidity of him doing this in a graceful, almost off-hand way, but the continuity's out slightly or so it seems?
 
Sighting down the arrow shaft, he watched the duck follow an arc, pointed slightly to the right to compensate for the wind, and released.
Am watching him do this! Clap
 
Grimacing but undeterred, he quickly strung a new arrow, picked another, and repeated. Again the arrow flew, but a sudden gust from the south blew both it and the chosen duck off course.
Ummm - ish. I liked the grimace, but don't you string a bow and 'nock' an arrow?
Second sentence - I like fallibility Smile I get really annoyed when Legolas hits targets wham wham wham in the dark with his fancy drawing arm techniques that'd miss every blooming time if he was a RL archer! LOL All these little hazards and obstacles factored in make it more authentic.
 
Pleasingly, Othimbr√©l downed another one quickly after as it fell behind from the pack, and another two thereafter, but soon the remains of the flock were flying both high and far and had escaped the range of even those who had brought longbows. The splashes across the marsh halted, and quiet fell.
Lovely ending there and no numbers bandied around, just left nicely vague and loose Wink 
Collective terms can be a pain I know and flock is mentioned enough - you used swarm earlier, which sort of fits as you associate that with a mass of airborne creatures, but with
pack I don't get that 'click' of suitablility? Pack of hounds - wolf pack - pack of papparazzi? Maybe try to focus on the movement instead - swirling mass - streaking - veering flight - banking? Aerially oriented anyway.
Longbows - good to mention the range as they're not heat-seeking missiles Wink I'm not sure that longbows would that suitable for this sort of hunting TBH - the force is probably too great at short range and you might just be left with a few feathers and very tattered carcass? They're more for hunting large beast like stags or boar perhaps (although spears are traditional for the latter) but I think I'd prefer to use a longer range weapon on those b*ggers! Shocked It's a large quarry or infantry weapon more I think, but some of the Imladhrim would certainly have them.
 
This Esgaroth module is fairly banal and workaday - purposely so because in the usual course of things, one isn't having constant bursts of excitement when you're not in a warzone and sometimes not even there - waiting for the attack is mind-numbly boring in an anxious way at times. As such I think it does make for a very good workout of observation and nuance in the absence of drama or dynamics, which is something that's very important with writing. Given high emotional drama or exciting events, it's very often easy enough to coast almost, because you have so much you can use, so in contrast it's not easy to take quite a low key, low impact activity and make it work like this. What it does show is that you're using your common sense and 'walking alongside' the character and trying to to get into his skin - so once again - Clap
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 12:48am
Al-lright. Lessee here... *Tries to shake Antlion attack patterns out of head*

One thing that I've picked up - from both you and Saranna - is that I've got a horrible habit of word entropy: I knew the word nocked, I even planned to use it, but somehow I picked 'strung' several times over even though it's completely the wrong word Wacko So much for a reader's vocabulary. 'Appears they appear' is even worse.
And trying to break out of this usually ends badly - with the 'pack' that you noticed all too well.

The longbows were an afterthought that some of the Imladris might've had - whether they actually would have left anything to eat wasn't really something I thought of at the time. Pinch But maybe they would have not fired at first and then taken the opportunity when nobody else could hit them at that range...? Get plenty of time to prepare...?

Elves and their blasted perfection! Angry You can't really blame any faults on them, so you've got to fault everything else - it's the wind, or another arrow, or a crummy bowstring. 
Anyway... I'm just pleased there wasn't as much room for failure (Not that I didn't make the most of it! LOL)
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  Quote Silen Aranor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 11:33am
Longbows aren't necessarily a precision weapon - you can safely forget any Hollywood version of Robin Hood. The reason they have such long ranges over any other type of bow  or such power at the end of it (pound for pound) is firstly down to muscle power in the draw - and both Men and Elves would have that - but in a military application where you have nicely packed formations of foemen if you fire upwards then you may lose power but it will go to the length of its range and at the zenith when it loses its power... it regains it by virtue of good old - gravity. And that's why the draw - if terrian permits - is completely inconsequential because it will pierce armour, plate or maille and bone once it falls - the sharper the fall the better the devastating impact Evil Smile Which does make it a useful weapon for Trolls in an indoors situation for instance, because then you can be accurate with full power - so, on the premise that he's using a recurve compound bow (the latter possibly not around in ME Wacko) how's Golden Boy looking now? Wink
 
For hunting it's a whole different game, because you need to be accurate and if you want to be successful you need to get close enough for your draw to count but still be precise - so for small gamebirds, they're literally smashed if you're packing full power on impact; at extreme range you're going to be too slow and the duck won't be there when you pick up speed in the fall but your beaters might be dead meat if they don't take care Wacko So that type of bow is, as I pointed out, far more suited to forest-dwelling 4-legged hunting where you need something very fast and very powerful at closer quarters - crossbows are probably optimum for that, but most lorists get touchy with those as it's generally held that those also aren't ME weapons. So you can hunt with longbows, but as usual it's horses for courses.
 
Interesting this isn't it? - I really don't know that much about weapons but you can blag your way around it if you've studied elementary physics Wink Believe me - my elementary physics is very basic! LOL
 
The power of vocab? You think I'm immune from having to cast around blindly for the juste mot? Dream on! One word - cheat! Another word - Thesaurus! Evil Smile It's something I use a lot when I do find myself repeating one time too many, so that's practice and there's no excuse for not using it courtesy of Mr Gates if you're in his processing package or one of its imitators. If you don't like those, then there are plenty of purpose made Thesaurii out there, so find one you like (I've even been known to use the Urban Dictionary in times of desparation, though it's possibly not a good choice for fantasy RP... Tongue). And it isn't cheating anyway - I bet the Prof used one! Wink
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 11:57am
Okay, so longbows... okay at normal ranges if it's a -ing massive target, otherwise generally more successful in bombardment Thumbs Up If I'd known this I probably wouldn't have had the elves using them... I think I'm just going to stop handing everyone larger weapons for now on, they're always just too impractical for the situation... LOL I'd never really had any long-distance accuracy in mind, but an arrow like that could've taken one clean out of the flock if it was a good hit...

I'm going to stop this thread of thought before someone brings up greatswords again Stern Smile.

Whether I really need a Thesaurus is something I still debate with myself - I know good words for the situation two times out of three, I just forget about them, and I'm usually multi-tasking and blogging/other forums so I accidentally come up with these embarrasingly close repetitions... it'll be a memory aid more than anything else. But yes, that still helps, so I'll try and use one. Really, I just need to read over my own writing before posting it instead of dumping un-edited rubbish on you all Wink
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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 12:24pm
*Thwacks thee just because!* Evil Smile
 
Desist with this self-abasement! - where is thy saurian pride! Whom dost thou think thou art deceiving with this constant o'erweening arrogance in denying any opportunity to take and use the power - from ANY source that thou hast within thy grasp?
Dost thou wish to be great or merely adequate?!!!!!
 
I don't know - I  raise them from eggs... make sure they art nice and warm and kept out of nassssty draughts and high enough not to get squished by Trolls, not to mention their Mumsies and Papas and what do they do for ME in return?
Disrespect!
BARE-FACED CHEEK!
SAUCY LIP!
*goes off muttering and zapping the random snagas...*
 
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 2:17pm
*Lays snout at feet* GROOOOGH, I BEGS OF YOUR FORGIVENESSSSSS, O FIERY ONE Pinch. I HAD NO INKLING OF YOUR PART IN THIS. PLEASSSSE TEACH OF THE DARK ARTSSS OF THE THESAURUS - I MUST SEIZE POWER IN ALL FORMSSS...

Dead Sorry... Dragon obsession kicking in again. Should be fine as long as you don't mention treasure or fire. Or knights. Hey, it's a serious condition! Angry *coughs up small flames*

Anyway, I'm a pessimist. You've never had a problem with it before Sleepy Besides, it is un-edited rubbish - if you can pick out that many mistakes in the space of a few paragraphs, I'm obviously not doing as well as I ought to, or could.
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  Quote Silen Aranor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 9:57pm
*Looks askance at Jano's new avatar Confused*
 
Now if you want to be pessimistic that's entirely up to you - but please don't exaggerate in front of Jano 'cos she's just laps up stuff like that... and... well best draw a veil over that, but it usually ends up with me having to 'put my foot down'! Wacko
 
I quoted on 6 different parts of your post because those required commentary/discussion of some description. 3 of those are in no way, shape or form dealing with 'mistakes', but simply feedback positively...Wink And the 50% that do raise issues that need discussion are there because I am responding to the effort made in the same measure - would you rather I just patronise you, or ignore them altogether, because I can do that very easily! Wink
 
You aren't making mistakes unless I say they are - the aspects I'm raising with you, in a real-time RP would be completely off most people's radar or only noticed by pedantic pillocks who have to spend so much time moaning about everyone else's gaffes in case anyone notices how turgid their own posts are LOL  I promise I'll tell you when you really stuff something up, otherwise I'll take the trouble to go over anything questionable with you because you want to know why something isn't hanging right and to do that I'm not going to skim, but read it as carefully as you wrote it? Is that fair? Smile
 
I told you at the start - this is all about what you put into it and what you want to get out of it. If you think I'm doing these in-depth, detailed replies out of devilment or for my own amusement (although I am thoroughly enjoying this I assure you) then take a look at the first half of this OOC/comment thread. Kris wanted to work on his idiomatic English so I do that in detail with him, so I'm spending pro rata as much time on his posts (over in the Imladris forum) as I am with you in here  (and we also discuss it off thread as he's also tinkering with his plotlines to explore the story-telling side of things too)  - same with Prince Imrahil which is more about RP technique and not so detailed as a result.
 
So you get back what you put in with me, sunshine - if I wasn't interested in what you're saying I wouldn't bother mentioning it! Tongue
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2010 at 12:42am
O-kay, aspects... Pinch

This is perhaps not the best time to mention that I can get very pedantic? Hmph.

I don't recall the exact reason that I started wanting to do this (aside from character development), but right now one of the reasons is learning the canon and I said - right from the start - that I would make gaping big massive mistakes. Now, it's all very well saying that nobody would notice them in a normal RP situation, but it's a bit like saying nobody will notice the cracks in a building if you paint over them. They won't notice, but the cracks are still there and someone will start to feel the repercussions eventually. And whoever built it will most likely be the one feeling them.

But anyway - the effort on my part. I just don't think it's fair to you and Saranna and whoever goes over it with me: Dumping a lot of text on people without at least editing it yourself... well, it's downright rude, IMHO. So my posts might take a bit longer, but with any luck they'll be a bit less rough around the edges Sleepy
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  Quote Silen Aranor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2010 at 1:04am
OK - I'll agree that some self-editing would be appreciated and I thought we already established that we're all pedantic in some ways. Just to be clear I believe there is no canon for duck-hunting in ME that I've come across so the pedantry on that front for this post is neither here nor there! Tongue Back on topic it's actually extremely difficult to edit and/or proof your own work beyond editing as you go or using spell/grammar checks - I know it is with me and with every person I've ever edited for who assured me they'd got it all. No they didn't! LOL Word is helpful there to some extent at least, although I would hate to have studied grammar from their sources. Wacko The main problem with self-editing is that you know what's supposed to be there and so your mind conveniently blanks eyeball info. From that PoV I'll pick it up if I notice it but TBH I'm looking more at construction rather than typos in here. I know you can spell and are no stranger to grammar so I'm not going to pick up on every single boo-boo for you - and you have an edit button anyway! Wink
 
Character development you can slant any which way and still have a bloody good moan about it. Canon is canon and we apply it where it's wanted and that I will mention naturally whenever it crops up.
 
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2010 at 1:31am
I saw it Wink I'll get working on the next post as quickly as possible but it's exam week and things are busy, busy, busy. Generally I find editing helps if you come back to the same block of text around an hour later and re-read it - you pick up on a lot of other things and it can look and feel quite different! Smile


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  Quote Jano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2010 at 9:51am
*nods* Admittedly it's more of a problem with 6 - 10,000 words for me, but I still miss stuff like this rather than the typos/grammar/punctuation even then Confused
 
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  Quote Quark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 10:41am
O-kay, I've been strapped for time as it is, but despite doing quite a lot of research, I can't find any of these plants that would actually grow in a wetland environment - or any kind of damp area, really! 
I may resort to the only lead I have on nettles, which are 'found everywhere', apparently.

EDIT: Never mind. Researched some more, continuing on course.

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  Quote Silen Aranor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 12:31pm
Did you look at the linkS in HERE yet? Wink The first and last link you could find helpful if you think laterally... There is also another more practical guide HERE
 
Medicinal herbs are very often edible too - what plants have 'water' in their names? Evil Smile Also you can make much of ME's fantastic environment even though you will not find too much information in the link provided on another Tolkien site. This does refer to much, much larger plants, larger even than Ents, that have constituent parts which provide aspirant pain-killing properties and grow around water - also this plant is found on another game you are playing...? Tongue
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